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. regarding fema and this cash spending. under ronald reagan they did it 28 times. okay? under bill clinton, another two terms, 89 times. under george w. bush, they did it 130 times. and under barack obama, who hasn't served a full term yet, it's already up to 153 times. that suggests we're out. fema-izing ourselves if there is such a word. >> you want to be careful with that data. there's a very big year in there, 2011. yes, larry, the trend is upward. once you create an entity like fema you use it a lot. it's a toy. right? the more we say rescue emergency, the more we get used to doing that. that's been a trend in our culture. the weather hasn't gotten that much worse since world war ii, say, to correlate to the number of disasters we claim and call now. so that's a problem. >> so what about -- in all seriousness, about state, local officials? romney makes a point. i don't think romney's saying get rid of fema. i didn't hear that. romney makes a point the governors and mayors and whatever, the town councilmen, they know best how to get things done. why are they losing their power? why is
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